Comments on: Red Tabs a Triumph? http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/ Spreadshirts Open Logo Project 1.6 - Logotastic fun. Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:39:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Heading to the grand final is….. at The Open Logo Project 1.6 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30483 Heading to the grand final is….. at The Open Logo Project 1.6 Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:17:40 +0000 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30483 [...] And some of you made interesting points about this design here [...] […] And some of you made interesting points about this design here […]

]]> By: pascalphilly http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30482 pascalphilly Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:46:14 +0000 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30482 In my opinion its obvious that Triumph as a big brand does not rely on having only a red tab, it is only using that as a nice visual thing. I am not saying using a simple element is wrong - to defend Kim at this point. But as Logodesigner mentioned, an element like this is just all but unique and is not doing a good job as functioning as a logo, besides the aspect that its not remarkable and outstanding, since red tabs will be found in more than one ad I fear. In my opinion its obvious that Triumph as a big brand does not rely on having only a red tab, it is only using that as a nice visual thing.
I am not saying using a simple element is wrong - to defend Kim at this point. But as Logodesigner mentioned, an element like this is just all but unique and is not doing a good job as functioning as a logo, besides the aspect that its not remarkable and outstanding, since red tabs will be found in more than one ad I fear.

]]> By: dazzler http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30480 dazzler Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:34:02 +0000 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30480 Absolutely couldn't agree more, and I'm not bashing your proposal (as such). As I've mentioned on a couple of other posts, I see this contest is constantly evolving as new/important topics crop up that are completely relevant to spreadshirt. While we discuss what makes a logotype we are (or should be) bearing spreadshirt's needs in mind. Considering every submission begs the following questions: 'does the logo work?' and 'does the logo work for spreadshirt?' These questions differ, but they both need to be answered in the positive by the winning logo. Again I've said before that it's not my place to say whether it's right for spreadshirt – that's for spreadshirt to decide. And that's reflected in the fact that you're on the shortlist (congrats, by the way). But regarding the conversation about whether it constitutes a logo at all – well, I feel qualified in venturing an opinion. I still believe that your submission represents an excellent way to display a spreadshirt logo – but that it's not a logo in itself. In comparison with the Triumph pic above, we can concede two different facts: • The Triumph logo is PLACED on a red tab • Your spreadshirt logo is ITSELF a red tab So the question as to whether it is successful is simple: is it right for spreadshirt to have a logo that IS a little red tab? Or is it better for them to have a logo which – as one of its varied applications – they can graphically place on a little red tab? That's for spreadshirt to decide. Absolutely couldn’t agree more, and I’m not bashing your proposal (as such). As I’ve mentioned on a couple of other posts, I see this contest is constantly evolving as new/important topics crop up that are completely relevant to spreadshirt.

While we discuss what makes a logotype we are (or should be) bearing spreadshirt’s needs in mind. Considering every submission begs the following questions:
‘does the logo work?’ and
‘does the logo work for spreadshirt?’

These questions differ, but they both need to be answered in the positive by the winning logo. Again I’ve said before that it’s not my place to say whether it’s right for spreadshirt – that’s for spreadshirt to decide. And that’s reflected in the fact that you’re on the shortlist (congrats, by the way). But regarding the conversation about whether it constitutes a logo at all – well, I feel qualified in venturing an opinion.

I still believe that your submission represents an excellent way to display a spreadshirt logo – but that it’s not a logo in itself. In comparison with the Triumph pic above, we can concede two different facts:

• The Triumph logo is PLACED on a red tab
• Your spreadshirt logo is ITSELF a red tab

So the question as to whether it is successful is simple: is it right for spreadshirt to have a logo that IS a little red tab? Or is it better for them to have a logo which – as one of its varied applications – they can graphically place on a little red tab?

That’s for spreadshirt to decide.

]]> By: Kim http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30478 Kim Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:17:49 +0000 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30478 Without licking any ass, I feel that I have to defend my work. I can clearly see a problem with the triumph issue. But this discussion has taken an absurd u-turn. This discussion could soon end up in a new definition of what a logotype should be instead of looking at this specific case. Is this the best solution for Spreadshirt? That should be the core of this discussion. For example: "Does this encourage creativity?", "does it communicate the picture of the Service they're providing?". As long it communicates the right message and gives a unique image of Spreadshirt - shouldn't it be considered? Then ofcourse there are many secondary questions to ask, like "is it working in print and on the web, small and big" etc. But They Are Secondary. User Centered Perspective. Let's not forget who the logo is for. Without licking any ass, I feel that I have to defend my work. I can clearly see a problem with the triumph issue. But this discussion has taken an absurd u-turn.

This discussion could soon end up in a new definition of what a logotype should be instead of looking at this specific case. Is this the best solution for Spreadshirt? That should be the core of this discussion. For example:
“Does this encourage creativity?”, “does it communicate the picture of the Service they’re providing?”.

As long it communicates the right message and gives a unique image of Spreadshirt - shouldn’t it be considered? Then ofcourse there are many secondary questions to ask, like “is it working in print and on the web, small and big” etc. But They Are Secondary.

User Centered Perspective. Let’s not forget who the logo is for.

]]> By: dazzler http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30475 dazzler Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:37:26 +0000 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30475 Having seen this (and logodesigner's erudite point, above) it does beg the question whether the words 'spreadshirt' on a little tab is enough. Like logodesigner, I see the method of presentation as interesting and viable for the company (ie the little stitching running up the side/along the top of the site) but as a logo design it still needs some differentiation. You could take any of the more classic icons in the shortlist (like mine, or the 'your own logo' shirt/'s' combo or Kreadid's shirt/tag combo) and place it with the 'spreadshirt' text onto a little blue(!) tab and that makes sense. To just have 'spreadshirt' written on a little tab doesn't strike me as enough. Points to Kim for coming up with an exciting way of displaying the logo, but for the logo design itself, it needs more, um, design. (imho) Having seen this (and logodesigner’s erudite point, above) it does beg the question whether the words ’spreadshirt’ on a little tab is enough. Like logodesigner, I see the method of presentation as interesting and viable for the company (ie the little stitching running up the side/along the top of the site) but as a logo design it still needs some differentiation. You could take any of the more classic icons in the shortlist (like mine, or the ‘your own logo’ shirt/’s’ combo or Kreadid’s shirt/tag combo) and place it with the ’spreadshirt’ text onto a little blue(!) tab and that makes sense. To just have ’spreadshirt’ written on a little tab doesn’t strike me as enough.

Points to Kim for coming up with an exciting way of displaying the logo, but for the logo design itself, it needs more, um, design.

(imho)

]]> By: Kim http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30473 Kim Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:13:44 +0000 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30473 I'm on it... I’m on it…

]]> By: ami http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30472 ami Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:47:43 +0000 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30472 the triumph logo is the crown, but they use the tab in ads in a very prominent way. It's a shame I didn't remember & detect it earlier ... but surely no offense to you kim, it's a german brand. the question to me is if your design could also work with an other color. the triumph logo is the crown, but they use the tab in ads in a very prominent way. It’s a shame I didn’t remember & detect it earlier … but surely no offense to you kim, it’s a german brand. the question to me is if your design could also work with an other color.

]]> By: Razmus http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30471 Razmus Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:00:17 +0000 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30471 As I understand it this is just an Ad campaign executed by Triumph. That's not _the_ Triumph logo. The idea with the tab is good, really nice. And I of course there are ways to make it distinctive enough, since the idea is strong enough. As I understand it this is just an Ad campaign executed by Triumph. That’s not _the_ Triumph logo. The idea with the tab is good, really nice. And I of course there are ways to make it distinctive enough, since the idea is strong enough.

]]> By: adam http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30470 adam Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:51:41 +0000 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30470 We believe you Kim :) We believe you Kim :)

]]> By: Kim http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30469 Kim Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:41:07 +0000 http://olp.spreadshirt.net/wordpress/2007/09/12/red-tabs-a-triumph/#comment-30469 hehe, I swear to every living man that I had no idea that triumph was using this way to present their logotype. Never even heard of the brand. hehe, I swear to every living man that I had no idea that triumph was using this way to present their logotype. Never even heard of the brand.

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